Right, moving on to our favourite
subject Ė Forest. The appointment of David Platt, to a lot
of fans out there somewhat came out of the blue, with all
the talk of OíNeil, Evans, Little and all of the other ones.
Was it a very cleverly kept secret or was it as big a surprise
to everyone in the club as it was to us?
I can talk about me, and it was an absolute complete surprise
to me because I thought that Martin was going to get it. He
was the fans choice, lets put it that way, and all the supporters
including me thought that with what we read in the press and
so on that Martin OíNeil was the one.
youíve only got to witness the Leicester game, ďMartinís coming
homeĒ, ďOíNeil is a forest fanĒ, you know...
had a drink with Robbo after that game. Iíd been sat up in
here doing my commentary and I kept an eye on Robbo and Martin
and Martin is very animated as well you know when heís on
the touchline. That
game he didnít get out till 10 minutes before the end of the
game. I asked Robbo about that and he said he wondered if
Iíd noticed that. I said yeah I noticed that, probably everyone
else noticed that he didnít get out jumping around the touchline,
he said yeah, Martin didnít want to upset the Forest fans,
because Martin had obviously read in the papers that Forest
were interested in him.
I think at one stage he might have fancied it, but
I donít think there was ever an official approach for Martin
to come to Forest.
youíre quite right; going back to the David Platt thing I
was very surprised.
just wasnít in the frame was he?
he wasnít. But you know, you ask the question was it a surprise,
yes to me. But on the morning of David Plattís appointment
I was in the reception area at the ground and Nigel Doughty
was there. Nobody
knew who he was. Now
I know Nigel Doughty from 2Ĺ years ago when the original takeover
was on and you know, he just looked lost, none of the reception
girls knew him or anything and I knew what was going on about
his investment and blah blah blah, so I said Nigel lets go
and have a cup of coffee, so he said thank Christ someoneís
we sat down there in the Robin Hood Suite and had a cup of
coffee and this was the morning of the press conference with
David Platt. So
I said to him, Nigel, where did this come from, Martin
OíNeil, yes, Roy Evans, yes maybe even Brian Little, all those
names bandied about.
I said where did Platt come from?
He looked in his briefcase and he got out this file
and Iím telling you, it was not put together that morning,
it had every goal heís scored, it had pictures of him scoring
goals, it had comments from him in Italian papers and it looked
as though there was a file built up for quite some while.
I looked at him and said youíve been targeting this guy for
quite a while, havenít you? He said, donít believe all you
read in the papers.
But the Martin OíNeil thing was a definite thing, they
did fancy him but I think there were a lot of red herrings
being thrown about at the time.
yeah, it kept us busy I mean the internet was alive with rumours,
everyday it was Ďits not him, its himí and we had everybody
thrown in, I mean even your name was in there.
was me starting that one, ďits Larry LloydĒ.
So yeah, it was a surprise but again not to the boys
that counted, Doughty in particular, he was worked on Iím
sure of that.
thing that surprised me was that there was all this fuss about
Martin OíNeil being the fans favourite, there was a poll on
the Internet and he only came third.
he? Stuart Pearce was favourite?
Roy Evans topped the poll.
know Royís a pal of mine anyway, and I was hoping that Roy
would get the job because Roy and I grew up together at Liverpool
but as you know he didnít get it for whatever reason.
certainly came across in the press that Nigel Doughty didnít
want Roy Evans.
right, but I donít know. I read that piece in the evening
post, but he was absolutely, you know, he wanted a big name
and he got one.
name but not a big name manager?
thatís the next thing, you know I had a Ďphone call last night
on my show, a boy having a pop at me, he said ďhey what do
you think now when we were all saying Stuart Pearce and you
were saying that it needs a manager of experience to sort
out the mess.Ē Yeah
well I always used to say that all the time, and I said well
yes I did say that, I canít deny that, but Iím not the man
who makes the decisions and what Iíve seen and as I do, I
rattle on, in a roundabout way, and I confuse them, I confuse
think that what it is about Platt is that weíre giving him
his big chance and he's going to be able to show the world
what he can do.
word in football, the better judges than me, is that heís
gonna be a top class manager. You know he is a novice so far
as actually running a club, but heís gone about it the right
way by traveling the world and watching top coaches, watching
top managers and heís learned a lot.
As opposed to Stuart Pearce, who everyone was pushing
at me, and pushing all the time.
Stop play, and manage.
You know Platt has done some preparation.
must have had a lot of contact with him since heís been here,
have you been impressed with what heís done?
you know because I donít know the lad, none of us do. Weíd
known him by watching him play for England and Arsenal at
times, Italy and all that but none of us knew him personally,
certainly I didnít.
Since heís arrived Iíve had a couple of chats with
him, Iíve had a cup of coffee with him and like ex-player
to ex-player you know, just talking football talk and Iíve
been very impressed, very impressed.
One or two things have happened in here that needed
a firm hand and heís come down with a firm hand.
the Carlton thing, you know I think that shook everyone because
David Platt comes across as a very nice man but what I have
found out about him is that heís got this hard streak and
he doesnít suffer fools gladly and if anyone wants a slap
I think heíd deliver that slap.
we hadnít got him around when Pierre was having his strop
there you go, you know itís early days, itís only been a month
or so. At the
moment I feel pretty confident that heís going to do the job
but you know everybody can talk a good game, I talk a good
game, but you supporters will only judge me or judge David
Platt on the first three, four, six games.
If we lose all six f#@*ing hell! To put it all in a
nutshell he will be judged on results as everyone is.
think he ought to get longer than 6 games, let him get into
Iím not, I smoke.
youíre alright thanks.
What! (speaks to dictaphone) "Kev turns down a fag from
Lloyd wouldnít turn a fag down from Kev.
forgot to call in at the newsagents so I canít reciprocate.
worry about that, have one if you want one.
gratefully accepts a fag from Larry Lloyd.
about the management team, I mean I was really surprised with
the appointment of Dennis Booth but then we were all thinking,
who is he, where is he from, who is he, never heard of him
then we delved into it a little bit more, now we know where
heís come from and what we think the association with David
Platt is, obviously Aston Villa.
thatís how it works in football you see, its like the situation
at Leicester with Martin OíNeill and John Robertson I mean
there was Martin, Robbo, myself John OíHare, there's about
4 or 5 of us used to be together all the time, Frank Gray
was in that as well, you know those two have been friends,
I think Martin came, no Robbo was already here when Martin
came over from Ireland in about 1971 and they remained like
that all the time so going back to it, sometimes its not what
you know its who you know, that applies to any walk of life
doesnít it and I think the case is the same here with David
Platt, he knows Dennis Booth and can trust him and when you
come into a club cold you need people around you you can trust
and that now spreads to the players, now he knows the Italian
three, and we donít, but David Platt does and he thinks I
can trust these three to come and do a job for me.
And thatís how it works and thatís the Dennis Booth
first of course David wanted Stuart Gray if you remember,
the former player, heís the Assistant Manager at Southampton,
they are the greatest of buddies and Stuartís got a good name
as a coach, but then he got Dennis Booth.
Thatís the connection, its just, you know, he played
with him, they struck up a friendship and he could trust him.
they seem to have a very good rapport because Iíve been down
the training ground a couple of times and taken a few photographs
for the web site and Dennis donít half bark his orders out.
what Iíve found with him, Iíve not been down on the training
ground yet but Iíve had a couple of dealings with Dennis and
heís got the humour of the two, okay he might bark it out
instance I went in the dressing room the other day and there
was a couple of young boys, a couple of YTS lads, theyíre
not called YTS anymore are they, theyíre called students or
something like that. Anyway, I was just in the corridor and
Boothy sort of bounced off of me and he said Ďf#@*ing hell
thatís the closest Iíve ever got to you. When we played against
you I used to say keep away from those two animals Lloydy
and Burnsy, donít go near them.í
He turned and said to these kids, Ďdonít f#@*ing go
near him, heíll eat you.
I went, yes youíre right Dennis you didnít come near
us did you. You werenít f#@*ing good enough.
actually leads us to one of our other questions because on
one of the other football sites, thatís more of a general
site, a site called Football 365, they put a questionnaire
out for everybody on the internet saying for your particular
team who was the hardest man ever so for Forest they put forward
suggestions of Pearce, (Larry:
Ďhe would have got a lotí) so guess who came out on top?
tell me the name yet but itís someone I wouldnít get then
or its someone that surprises you.
really, no surprises as long time Forest fans.
long time, so itís going way back then.
I would put Kenny very near the top.
very close to Kenny
Who used to play alongside Kenny.
actually came out on top as the hardest Forest player ever.
wasnít that hard I was just clumsy at times.
Well people were quoting things like the time you gave Peter
Osgood a 'kiss'!
Yeah, remember the old Trent
End mist, about as high as that glass now wasnít it (Larry
points at the hospitality suite in the Trent End), hey thinking
back just digressing a bit, that game got us promotion you
know, you think back we were losing that game and being well
pissed on, we were losing that game 1-0 and the fog came over
and the referee abandoned it at 1-0 but when we got the replay
here we pissed all over them, won it by about 3-1 or something
had we lost that game then we wouldnít have gone up so the
fog did us a big favour.
that thing with Ozzie though, I saw this fog coming up, we
were attacking that end I thought come on you bastard come
over here, I mean the referee was down there somewhere, linesman
was lost down there, Ozzie come here, wallop, landed him one,
bastard, he had a go at me, he said Ďf#@*ing hell whatís going
on?' I said, thatís for all the years I was at Liverpool and
you were with Chelsea trying to break my leg, because he was
a dirty bastard. I said, you tried to break my f#@*ing leg
20 times. But half the crowd saw it and worse, Cloughie saw
it and it cost me £200 quid.
Which in those days was probably
a fair bit wasnít it, what would that be then a weeks wages?
that was before promotion wasnít it, yeah, I suppose it would
have been about a weeks wages.
When I came here and we used to talk about it a lot,
Martin, Robbo and me, I came here on £180 a week and when
they found out they went apeshit, John Robertson was the worst
and the Martin OíNeilís and the Viv Andersonís, the lads that
were here, they were on £80 a week and because I had come
from first division sides, you know Coventry and Liverpool
before that, I was on decent money for those days, oh they
went apeshit, I was on twice as much as them.
Mind you, they soon caught up.
That leads us on to yet another
subject of players wages, I mean itís taking the piss nowadays.
Do you think that capping is a good idea?
Iíve often said that its difficult to know how this will work,
for instance capping per the individual I donít think would
work because you ought to cap the club and let them work out
their own budget, for instance you could tell the Premiership
or First Division Club, your wage bill is not going to top
£6million so work it out yourself. So one player might be
earning £1million and one might be earning £100K for a year,
and something like that perhaps has got to happen, I keep
asking this on the Ďphone-in, what does enough mean? The word
enough, I mean 40 grand a week, you canít spend it.
about Suker at Arsenal though?
Well heís agreed to take half
his wages you know, if you look at it without taking the figure
20 grand, you think would I move for half my wages? I donít
think so. But the money in football has gone mad.
But in a way theyíre
victims of their own success as well, arenít they,
its one feeding off another.
yeah, that is why you know, someone asked me last night why
is it all one way traffic at the moment foreigners coming
to this country and none of ours going abroad, I said its
simple, their demands are too high, I mean weíve got 3 internationals
coming here well within the Forest wage structure and weíre
only a First Division Club.
If David Platt tried to sign 3 internationals, English,
well he wouldnít get them. Around age of late 20ís you couldnít afford them. Thatís as
well as a lot of foreigners in the game, which I donít agree
with. On the finance side, people like Gordon Taylor, you
know the Chairman of the PFA, heís got to get his house in
order with the players, and the agents.
I mean youíve got the agents, they see a quick buck,
you know a player will sign a 4 year contract and after 12
months heíll say to that player hey Iíve had a word with so
and so, he fancies you, its like with Jimmy Hasselbaink, they
fancy you, and the agents thinking Iíll get 100 grand myself
out of this.
interesting to see the paper today, heís threatening to do
know, I tell you what one of the most sensible things Dave
Bassett said, if you remember about this time last year maybe
a bit later, he said, when Pierre was on strike, ďWhy donít
everybody get together and all the premiership clubs give,
or loan, Forest 200 grand each, or maybe some sort of slush
fund with 100 grand a year each, so should this happen they
say well if PVH is valued at £4 million, weíve got £4 million
to lend you until the player is sold or whatever or until
you can afford to pay the money back and leave the bastard
to rot for 3 years.
have been great. the down side of that being why should the
other strugglers in the premiership loan us the money.
right, the likes of Man United wouldnít have been bothered
but the Coventrys Ė in fact Gordon Strachan came out in support
of that - but the likes of Southampton, they wouldnít have
been impressed with that but it might happen to them one day.
I mean that is a way of stopping this, let the bastards
rot, who the hell do they think they are.
I mean Hasselbaink is a good player butÖÖ.
was hoping that the outcome was going to be the one who had
the example made out of him was Anelka, I mean Arsenal could
have afforded it, they could have stuck him in the reserves.
That would have been super, but
you say that and youíre probably right. Theyíre one of the
richest clubs around but when, back to the Pierre thing, I
mean heís an asset of £4 million sat on his dutch arse and
£4 million to Forest is a hell of a lot. So to Arsenal theres
an asset there of £22 million sat on his arse, Anelka, you
know you think oh shit, we could sell him for £20 mill, do
we let him sit on his arse, you know what I mean.
you think Arsenal were wrong to have asked so much money for
him in the first place then, I mean they only paid 500 grand
I mean there is a case to be made for that, some people might
accuse Arsenal of being greedy but if theyíve asked £20 million
and theyíve got it, theyíre not wrong. Somebody else obviously
thinks Anelkaís worth that.
You know a player is only worth what somebody is going
to pay for him and obviously the Gunners felt that £20 million
was a good price for him, I donít but there you go, its not
players, money and striking players all leads on to the 50
grand Pierre wants as part of his loyalty bonus.
We all deserve one I think, we were here all season,
which is more than he was.
I am led to believe is that he had 2 years left and it was
sort of £100 grand at the start of each season as a sort of
signing on fee, okay, I have no qualms with that because he
could have said at the beginning of that contract Iíll have
the whole lot in one, but to help you out Iíll spread it Iíll
have £100 grand at the start of each season so I have no worries
about that because as I said when he first signed he could
have said right weíve agreed a £500 grand signing on, gimme
the cheque now, but to help Forest Iíll spread the payment,
it helps me with my tax but it also helps you as well.
But when he gets £300 grand, quite right, the club
said weíve no problem with that, thatís yours anyway, but
the rest, adding up the
£750 grand loyalty bonus, f#@*ing hell.
He didnít show much loyalty, do you know the meaning
of the word loyalty, well you didnít show much, sorry get
out, I sounded like Clough there didnít I.
Iím going to say, if thereís any loyalty payments going, we
want some, for sticking it all last season game in game out,
fair weather or foul!!
the fans in fact were very, very good last season, as you
know I havenít missed a game home or away for, well you could
count the ones I have missed in the last 10 years on the fingers
of one hand. I
expected shit, you know the way it turned out last season,
they were brilliant away from home, I couldnít fault them.
At home, Iím sat there and I think, theyíre going to start
any minute, watching this crap out there, we kept looking
away to A block thinking theyíre going to start in a minute
but they didnít just a little bit towards the board wasnít
fans here have been very, very good and you know its not our
fault, they can hear when I say they deserve a bit more now.
Well I think weíve seen that
with a bit of a reduction in the prices.
Again, I mentioned that on the
show last night, I think Forest have gone about it so far
so good in the right way, you know immediately prices went
down, now if you remember last time we went down the prices
So we thought they couldnít use
that one again, telling us theyíre going to rebuild for the
now the prices are reduced, the take-over by Nigel Doughty,
heís a forest fan his seatís up there (Larry Points across
to the Exec stand).
Can we talk about the prices
a bit more? Okay
everybody welcomes the drop in prices but from our point of
view, we were up there (points to upper Trent End) last year
and we were given a £10 reduction in cost and weíre thinking
thatís not a lot, so weíve all moved up that end now (Pinnacle
Place) and saved over a £100 quid each, now weíve got a discount
but weíve had to work it ourselves. It would have been nice
to keep our old seats but look at the price difference.
Its virtually the same view as last year and weíre
saving over £100.
not going to tell me thatís a bad view from there, even if
youíre not where you were.
But the acoustics are so much
better as well, we can make a hell of a lot more noise than
we could at this end.
of my theories is it was deliberate, to try and move people
up there to try and get an atmosphere above the away fans.
Or was that just a spot someone insisted on?
been so much controversy over that move to put the away supporters
down there, and between the police and the safety officer,
they decided that it would be safer if they were all in there,
safer in the respect that they could park their buses out
there, theyíve got their own toilets, their own bar, you know
theyíre not mixing and itís safer for everyone, thatís the
Its just the acoustics are so
much better there, I mean 3000 away fans can out-sing the
rest of the ground just from being in that little area.
keep going on about that, I wish theyíd make a lot more noise.
We do though, weíre screaming
our heads off its just that you canít hear us. Itís just not
being funneled across the pitch.
Are there any plans to join the Exec and the Trent
wouldnít have thought so, probably this stand (main stand)
when eventually this goes up a tier, I think theyíll probably
have to knock the whole thing down myself but there is a thing
that if you have it totally closed in the air canít swish
across the pitch but then youíll say, what about Middlesbrough?
What about Pride Park?
but we went up to old Trafford last season for the Worthington
Cup and the pitch there was shite. Great stadium, but the
pitch was real shite, they pulled it up a few days later.
a bloody massive stand now isnít it?
donít think thereís any plans to close it in here, unless
they do it when this gets done, it would be nice.
If you look across from where you sit its not
as impressive as when youíre
looking this way.
itís called the Main stand.
never sat anywhere but here and I think great ground, you
know and its still called the Main stand youíre right, so
when youíre sat looking at it you think, f#@*ing hell its
not that impressive.
used to be though, I can remember as a kid, as a 9 year old
when they rebuilt this after the fire, and I mean the rest
of the ground was just open, the Bridgford end was just open,
then you had the cow shed at the Trent End, it was impressive
30 years ago.
think its, you know this morning a couple of the Italians
came and stood out here talking to the groundsmen.
You could see them looking around, I donít know what
they were saying but you could see them nodding at each other,
they were quite impressed.
Just because youíve touched on it, I
know you want to go on and answer these but you said obviously
you didnít know what they were saying, one of my questions
was going to be what weíve always lacked is a talker at the
back so weíre going to have a couple of Italians and Norwegian,
do they speak any English or what?
no, theyíve got nothing yet, they havenít got thank you or
please or hello or anything so I believe they just sit there
and say nothing.
Well hopefully the football will
speak for them.
Well itís a universal language
isnít it but we do need a leader and weíve not had one, Chett
bless him you know I think the world of Chett but heís not
got Forest in his blood but unfortunately heís not leadership
mean Pearce was a great leader, going back we had leaders
back in our day I mean McGovern was captain but Burnsy, me
and Archie Gemmill used to do a lot of shouting but weíve
not had one here for a while.
Thatís why we were thinking Carlton
Palmer might take on the mantle this year but now it looks
like heís on his way.
I mean I think he would have made a good captain; he
was certainly doing a lot more shouting.
Stanno was saying at the training ground he was the
one going round giving all the encouragement, not Chetts.
Chetts is like an honourary captain but I donít think
heís a playing captain.
a bit like McGovern, you know he said very little, he just
led us out and tossed up and job done.
He rarely said anything in our day you know Burnsy
and like two or three of us were shouting all the time.
that brings us on to another question then, what is the role
of a captain in a team nowadays?
own personal thoughts is that its an honour, you know Iíve
captained Forest, Iíve captained England under 23ís as it
was in those days. Itís
a great honour to lead your side out but there it ends because
when you come out for your warm up for instance you look at
the conditions, which way the wind blowing, is the sun just
over the stand, you know. The goalie is saying get the sun at my back if you win the
toss then by the second half it will have gone down. So you all have a say, you know and Cloughy used to say, and
I firmly believed it, that take the elements in the first
half, for instance if thereís a gale blowing towards the Bridgford
end, kick that way first.
Sod that they say the lucky end is to kick that way,
whatever, but take the elements first, go 5-0 up and then
the rest will look after itself.
So that type of thing gets discussed in there anyway.
So, captainís role, you know a bit of a leader off
the field if you like, for instance my job here is to get
players out and about, which is hard in itself so I always
go to Chett and Chett does command respect in there and I
say Chett I need someone to go to Beeston Branch and do this,
who wants to go. Tank,
you havenít been anywhere for a while, you go and sort that
out. So off the
field I think there is a role providing the boys respect him
and the boys look up to him, which they do with Chett.
On the field, I donít think thereís much of a role
So really itís down to individual
players to command their area of the field.
right, you know your job.
I mean its important for managers Ė I had 4 years at
management Ė and it interested me that article with John Barnes,
you know heís started well at Celtic. Thereís not a player
that goes onto that field that doesnít know his job, foreign,
English, Scottish or what, they know their job and if you
know your job then you donít need a captain saying eh, move
down there, you know your job, you know where you should be,
at this level anyway.
I think it would be good to have
somebody like Pearce back. I donít know if you know this but at Chettís testimonial, if
you didnít know it was Chettsí testimonial you would have
thought it was Pearceís, every time he kicked the ball Ė huge
cheer. What a
came on the pitch and the first thing he did is he drew out
an area on the pitch and he said thatís mine and everybody
was right behind him, I mean poor old Chetts everyone must
have thought it was Pearceís night.
wouldnít have been too upset with that because Pearce probably
put 1000 on the gate without a doubt.
The thing with Stuart Pearce is heís brilliant, what
heís done for this club over the years is brilliant.
you think heís too big a personality for Forest now, do you
think Platt thinks he would be more popular than him if he
came here now.
could well be, I doní know.
It could well be a bit of that.
If he had been appointed as some sort of a player coach
to see if he could still play.
I donít think thereís a person
here who wouldnít want that.
probably have put about 5000 on the season tickets easily.
You know there was that school of thought, Pearce;
he certainly would put bums on seats.
It would have helped with the
atmosphere, you know after last year everybody is on a bit
of a downer and if Pearce was back heíd get the old blood
on fire again wouldnít he.
But again, you know, what theyíve
done here and Nigel Doughty has often said weíll look after
that side, anything this side of the car park David Plattís
in charge of. Now it goes back to your question about Dennis Booth, he doesnít
know Stuart Pearce and rumour has it that they didnít really
get on when they were both with the England squad.
So its Plattís decision who to bring in and he picked
Dennis Booth; simple as that.
Nobodyís saying that Stuart Pearce cannot do the job
but David Plattís in charge from this side of the car park
and anything that happens here is his decision. And Doughty
you know, heíd
tell you himself, heís a fan, he used to get going when Pearce
started but he sayís I canít do anything about it.
He canít say to David Platt have Stuart Pearce as your
there are some clubs that do that.
Unfortunately weíre not.
You know when I first went for
a management job at Wigan when I left here, the chairman said
look, weíve got this lad here, I want to look after him, you
need someone to help so yeah, I took him on and all he did
was stab me in the f#@*ing back and I ended up sacking him.
So that is why, certainly at this club, the likes of
Nigel Doughty, Eric Barnes, they donít interfere.
The only time theyíd interfere with David Platt is
if he isnít doing the job, then theyíd sack him.
And Iíve got to add, thatís how it should be.
nice to see the new Brian Clough stand, at last showing recognition
of the promise back in 1997 when they took over.
am a bit disappointed that there was no room made for Peter
was going to be my next question.
I was here in Taylor and Cloughís glory days, I mean I was
one of the players and people, certainly the players and anyone
who worked with the pair of them realize this, how important
Peter Taylor was to Brian Clough.
And I am a little bit surprised that they havenít found
room somewhere for the name of Peter Taylor because he played
a massive part in those days.
Its great, I mean take nothing away from the gaffer,
take nothing away from him having that stand named after him,
but just a little corner for Peter would have been nice. The thing with the 36 boxes has been put on the back burner.
All those 36 boxes were going to be named after all
of us, I was included in the 36 of Nottingham Forestís greatest
ever and we were all going to have a box named after us but
I believe thatís been put on the back burner now for some
reason and Taylor was going to have something named after
him, I think one of the hospitality rooms.